By Meredith Lepore
Jan 12, 2016 @ 11:00 am

Hillary Clinton may be one of the sharpest people in the political world, but when it comes to selfies she knows that there's only one woman to turn to: Kim Kardashian. On Monday's The Ellen DeGeneres Show, the presidential hopeful spoke about her experience of meeting and taking a selfie with Kardashian and her husband Kanye West back in August.

“Of course, when she says to me, ‘Can we take a selfie?’ I say, ‘Well, hello, of course,’” Clinton explained. “I mean, that’s an obvious answer.”

She went on to marvel about Kardashian's selfie technique—and tool. “She takes out her phone and presses a button, and I’ve never seen this anywhere else, I mean you’re a famous celebrity, maybe you have, I haven’t,” Clinton told Ellen DeGeneres. “She holds it up, it has lights all the way around it. Like, tiny, tiny light bulbs. … It makes anybody look better. I have been desperately looking for one of those ever since with no luck, so if anybody knows where you can get one."

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Clinton is in luck because Kardashian has revealed her trick: She uses an illuminating LuMee case ($50; lumee.com).

During the interview Clinton and DeGeneres also talked about the difficulties of being a woman running for President, even in 2016. “I think it still is hard being a woman running for president,” Clinton told the audience. “If you’re forceful, you’re too forceful. If you’re not forceful, you’re not tough enough.”

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Watch more of Clinton and DeGeneres's interview in the video at top.